House of Eratosthenes

This is why there is this perception that the Republican party is one of white straight males. Because when you filter the search down to “it’s my turn” candidates, you see the democrat party does indeed start to look much more diverse, and the Republican party is full of white males. And among “it’s my turn” candidates, the white male always loses, yet the GOP continues to do this.

A lot of voters are out there ready to vote for “it’s my turn” candidates; that is a plain and simple fact. But white male democrat Ted Kennedy famously flamed out. If you’re going to support someone whose “turn” it is, like you’re little kids playing Yahtzee or Monopoly, why would you support a white male? You wouldn’t. They don’t. Maybe they would if they were given a reason, but by the very definition of the term, the it’s-my-turn candidate is not capable of giving them one.

The results, when the question is actually asked, can be cringe-inducing:

Blah, blah, blah.

If you have a gender or racial or gender-preference claim, there’s no need to get into any of this. It is realistic to predict the question won’t ever be asked. Hillary Clinton, should she decide to run again, will make a spectacular it’s-my-turn candidate. For reasons I don’t entirely understand, to be sure…but you’d better believe there are a lot of people out there who think it’s her turn, and not just because she’s a woman.

As near as I can figure out, the logic works something like this: Her husband cheated on her. She should be President. But don’t ask me to explain it any better than that…

Now that Perry is out, there is still another it’s-my-turn candidate in the running, and I’m afraid this one has a real lock on becoming the Republican nominee: Mittens. It’s his turn. Now, he’s already had to point out what makes him a better candidate, especially compared to the incumbent, and he’s done a satisfactory job of it. I don’t have much confidence in his ability to settle on wise decisions, any more than I’d put on a Magic-8 ball. His visage fairly screams at you “suit-wearing bureaucrat” and his convictions are not reliable.

But if he clinches this, I will support him, because Obama has to go home.

And then he will lose. Because a contest between OBumbles and Mittens is a contest between the devil you know and the devil you don’t.

Whoa, hang on here, so much to debate…and not really sure where to start because I’m not really sure what point your trying to make.

“And among “it’s my turn” candidates, the white male always loses, yet the GOP continues to do this.”

The white male always loses to another white male, (Excluding the only example, Barry which isn’t much to base a theory on.)so…not exactly getting the point – that we’re all racists?

The “it’s my time” theory only holds up if voters actually vote for him. Then it’s not about anyone’s turn but…voters. That being the basis for a Representative system.

Why is that ALWAYS forgotten when this subject comes up? People complain about a certain guy (like McCain) and blame “the Republicans establishment” for “giving us” so & so. Sorry, I missed the part where they stuffed the ballot boxes.

“But if he clinches this, I will support him, because Obama has to go home.”

Well, with “support” like this…we’ll surly end up with four more years of Barry.

“And then he will lose. Because a contest between OBumbles and Mittens is a contest between the devil you know and the devil you don’t.”

Wait, you’ve been saying, and I’ve agreed, since the One took office that he would be a one term president. And what changes it for you? Romney kind’a, sort’a being ahead after Iowa and NH and before SC? All the awesomeness that Barry is displaying…the Iranians going nuclear…a Tweet from Rob Lowe…? What!?!

You TOTALLY discount the state of affairs, no need to list them all, this country is presently in. You TOTALLY discount the numerous polls (I know, I know, but at some point they can’t ALL be wrong) showing Obama either losing or at a statistical dead heat.

Plus, I believe the sentiment of “Obama has to go home” is very widespread and not just limited to Republicans.

You could indeed be right. But not for any reasons given. Hell, we don’t even know if Romney will be the GOP candidate.

Why the rush to defeat, Morgan?
- tim | 01/19/2012 @ 11:34
…I’m not really sure what point your trying to make.

My point is that for every person like you and me who actually follows this stuff, there are a hundred “his turn” voters who have no idea what’s going on, and want to be “fair” and vote in the person whose “turn” it is. They’re out there, that’s why this stuff works…it’s a case of, if it didn’t work, we wouldn’t keep seeing it.

Also, my point is that in this line-up of chess pieces, white males are like the pawn…not like how that word is used in games of strategy, I mean their rank is lowest. EVERYTHING else beats them. And, democrats tend not to throw pawns onto the chess board. I have to go back to 1980 to find an example of them even thinking about it. Unless you count Al Gore as a “my turn” guy…which I suppose would be fair…but still.

With Republicans, it’s every single cycle. There’s some guy who can’t really make the pitch about why he’s best, it’s just his turn.

People complain about a certain guy (like McCain) and blame “the Republicans establishment” for “giving us” so & so. Sorry, I missed the part where they stuffed the ballot boxes.

It’s a case of everybody thinking something just because everybody else is supposed to think it. McCain, for example, was supposed to be real strong…he’d pull in all kinds of votes because of this ability of his to form alliances and agreements, reach across the aisle. How’d that work out.

ait, you’ve been saying, and I’ve agreed, since the One took office that he would be a one term president. And what changes it for you?

Romney. I’ve said all along, he’s Obama’s best shot. He’s more likely to lose than any of the others.

You TOTALLY discount the state of affairs, no need to list them all, this country is presently in. You TOTALLY discount the numerous polls (I know, I know, but at some point they can’t ALL be wrong) showing Obama either losing or at a statistical dead heat.

But He’s so cool. See, when the Republicans nominate someone, they exert an enviable influence in dictating unilaterally what the campaign is going to be about. If Santorum is nominated it will be about, is someone trying to establish a Christian theocracy. If Gingrich gets it, it’ll be about, isn’t it nice that some men can stay married to their first wife forever? And if Romney gets it the debate will be about coolness. The last of those three is the rosiest prospect for the democrats. And it’s going to be completely nauseating, to say nothing of, you and I won’t like how it ends.

Hell, we don’t even know if Romney will be the GOP candidate. Why the rush to defeat, Morgan?

Like I said, I’ll support whoever is nominated. Every four years we hear, this is the most important election in recent memory. Well, this time it’s true, or at least it’s among the most important…just because of jobs jobs jobs, gas gas gas and Supreme Court nominees. But trying to dislodge Obama with Mitt Romney is like trying to dislodge a peanut butter sandwich from your DVD player with a wet noodle or something…

I apply a simple test. If Romney tells me he’s on my side of an issue, and then goes into a room to meet with people with interests different than mine, and I’m not invited into the room, do I think he’s going to stick to his knitting on the issue? This is a great test. It has been amazingly consistent in figuring out who will win in elections against democrats — not only that, but by how much. If Romney can actually pull this off, he’ll upset this test…but he’ll be the first Republican to do so, since, I think, 1908. No, that’s not a transposition, I really mean 104 years ago.

I just don’t see it happening. Hope I’m wrong.
- mkfreeberg | 01/19/2012 @ 12:22
Interesting Points, Morgan, thanks for coming back. Don’t necessarily agree with them fully but still, interesting.

Just a few thoughts, not sure if primary voters can be classified as “his turn” thinkers but the fact that people, especially older voters who no doubt make up large percentage of primary voters (again, especially R voters) , definitely feel more comfortable voting for someone who’s been around Washington for awhile.

“With Republicans, it’s every single cycle. There’s some guy who can’t really make the pitch about why he’s best, it’s just his turn.”

Bush 43? Reagan?

As far as your McCain example, I don’t think you can discount the negative feeling people had towards Bush and indeed wanted some change (not capitalized like O’s craptastic BS). But he was leading right up towards the financial meltdown so you may have a point. But them again, he wasn’t exactly running against a strong field of choices.

“And if Romney gets it the debate will be about coolness.”

Maybe. Though the economy still sucks so I don’t see how that won’t be an issue also. That’s Romney’s strong suit and THE reason, I believe, he’s doing so well. That and he’s good looking (at the risk of sounding very gay) and to go along with your theory it’s what may be the top reason the American people vote for someone. As shallow as that is, it’s unfortunately and sadly true.

“is like trying to dislodge a peanut butter sandwich from your DVD player with a wet noodle”

Ha!
- tim | 01/20/2012 @ 07:39
I groped for that analogy. It’s dated and doesn’t really work, since back in the day VHS was much better at receiving those peanut butter sandwiches…parenthood-wise, I’m more in the generation that winced as the toddler gave the DVD platter a mighty shove and the front-loader whined in protest. Heh.

Which drags me much further off-topic: Here in the computer room, I’m looking around and noticing I’ve got three DVD players that are not in working order. This weekend I must do something about this…
- mkfreeberg | 01/20/2012 @ 07:43

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