House of Eratosthenes

GIBSON: Are we fighting a holy war?

PALIN: The reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln’s words when he said — first he suggested never presume to know what God’s will is. And I would never presume to know God’s will or to speak God’s words. But what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that’s a repeat in my comments, was let’s not pray that God is on our side in a war or in any other time. But let us pray that we are on God’s side. That’s what that comment was all about, Charlie.

GIBSON: But you went on and said there is a plan and it is God’s plan. [emphasis mine]

PALIN: I believe that there is a plan for this world, and that plan for this world is for good.

We could quibble about whether fine hairs are being split here, are whether the distinction has disappeared altogether. But let there be no mistake about it: Gov. Palin was grilled by our Fourth Estate for seeking a high office without properly embracing a virtual state-sponsored religion of atheism.

Methinks, if you’re cool with that — the object of the entire exercise must have escaped you at some point here. The country’s supposed to be all about freedom to worship as an individual and not be barred from public office by doing so, and we seem to have a lot of enthusiastic individuals working extremely hard to jettison that most cherished of individual freedoms.

“[A]ll men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.” — Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779.

I’m an atheist and I got what Palin was trying to say. I may not agree with it but she certainly has the right to say it and I don’t find it offensive in the least. (Gibson behavior was offensive).

It’s as if Charlie doesn’t understand that the entire context of her speech is available to anyone who wants to read it. Thereby being able to judge for ourselves what exactly she meant.
- tim | 09/16/2008 @ 08:50
Tim – I couldn’t agree more. I am an atheist, too, and I am tired of atheists thinking that God = illegitimate motivation. Just as I am tired of religious people thinking atheists are all going to marry their goats. We all own goats, you know.

Charlie and the rest of them should pop into a few foxholes and try taking God away from the men and women in there. Good luck with that.
- Andy | 09/16/2008 @ 10:03
Wow, that makes two godless heathens who have brains, a sense of perspective, and the intellectual acumen to distinguish between religious neutrality and enshrined secularism. Both hanging out at The Blog That Nobody Reads.

You people are really starting to turn me around on this.

Ya gotta kick the asses of those Michael Newdows out there. Stop letting them speak for all of you.
- mkfreeberg | 09/16/2008 @ 10:19
Wow, that makes two godless heathens who have brains, a sense of perspective, and the intellectual acumen to distinguish between religious neutrality and enshrined secularism.

Three, perhaps. Although I’m more of an agnostic, in that I believe there’s a Supreme Being… I just don’t know what His/Her/Its name is. But I’m kinda hopin’ Thor is still in the running in The Deity Sweepstakes, somehow. I like his style, values, and “personality”… assuming a deity can have a personality, as we know it. And there’s a lot to be said for certain gods and goddesses that hung out around Mt. Olympus, back in the day. Dionysus, for one. Aphrodite, for another. I kinda think we’d be better off if they were still in charge.

But back to the point at hand. This whole “secular religion,” as practiced by our Leading Liberal Lights, is getting VERY tiresome. There are some religions that need to be mocked, shunned, or actively fought against (a certain 7th century theology comes to mind), but there just ain’t that many here in these United States. I’m very suspicious of those who are publicly and oh-so-vocally critical of someone’s/anyone’s religious beliefs. And that’s being VERY diplomatic, if not outright charitable.
- Buck | 09/16/2008 @ 11:46
Don’t get too comfy, Morgan. We’ll eat your babies and just burn shit on a whim. No moral code, wheeeeeeeee!
- Andy | 09/16/2008 @ 15:32
It’s not you we have to fear Andy, there’s a lot of ruin in a country. It’s the second and following generations that fully embrace “no moral code”. That’s where the “fun” starts…..
- Robert Mitchell Jr. | 09/16/2008 @ 20:41

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