House of Eratosthenes

Heard a comment on the radio that “the Koran gives you permission to lie to advance Islam.” This impressed me as something that I hadn’t heard before, and surely it could not be within the realm of the disputed since it seems to be a pretty clear encapsulation of something purported to exist within a defined body of work.

I’m blindsided by this one. Sidebar resource Linda SOG covered this years ago.

Al-taqiyya is a word used for the practice of Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims. Muslims consider the act of Al-taqiyya or lying to non-Muslims to be a good work. Especially if it helps support the war against the infidel. In case you’ve forgotten, you are the infidel, so am I, so is each and every American who is not muslim.

From “Islam’s Shell Game” by Johnn “Trike” Schroeder

Muslims say one thing and think another, because their holy book allows such action in the furtherance of their religion. They do not punish the insane killers in their communities who strike at Americans, because they do not see the terrorists as wrong, rather they see them as warriors, honorable and holy themselves.

Thus there is no conflict with their religion, and no real dichotomy exists between the terrorists and Islam as a whole. If one acts as a neutral (for no Muslim speaks out one way or the other as a rule on terrorists and their acts), to create a sort of wall behind which our enemies can move and strike at us, they act as our enemies as well!

We have a decision to make here, just how are we to protect ourselves, when we allow such a tactical and strategic screw up to exist in our very midst! Who is killing us and our allies, MUSLIMS, not the little old ladies the airport security strip searches to protect us from illegal knitting needles!

We need to start seriously applying common sense while we still have a few people not yet blown up or under threat of being so.

The terrorists want one thing, (just as the Koran calls for), a world united as Islam or nothing! This is about world conquest as a religious duty.

Let us begin to understand that we face an enemy who will happily kill you, your family and friends and celebrate their own death doing it. It matters not if you are on the right or the left, they want us DEAD! Nothing else will do for them.

And unless we get in gear, they will do just that to far too many of us. as we wring our hands and cringe, crying out “Can’t we just get along?” If we do not act, that will be our pathetic epitaph.

So. All of a sudden Muslims like America and Americans? Yeah. Sure they do.

Al-taqqiya is a war tactic, the sheep’s clothing worn by the wolves in our midst. and you can’t see the forest for the trees.

I’m troubled by the breezy conflation of “Muslim” with these psycho whackjobs who would be willing to off themselves just to take a few of us down with ’em. Not a fan of political correctness, but I like to use correct terms to describe things, and just as I’m reluctant to paint “Christians” with a broad brush, I should show similar reluctance here…

…but I’ll tell you what I find even more troubling: A religious cult that instructs people to lie, for the sake of advancing itself — existing within post-modern America, a place that just can’t get enough of people saying the right things, truth & facts be damned.

I’m really having trouble with the exercise of trying to envision anything more dangerous than that.

Update: Via Planck’s Constant, Exhibit A.

Haven’t read much Robert Spencer then, have you? 🙂

Yes, this is the thing that bugs me the most about the whole Islamist issue. I know several Muslims. They seem like nice people… the ones I know do.

And yet in the back of my mind, with this concept in the Haddiths known as Al-Taqiyya, the nagging question is… is that what I’m supposed to be thinking? How would I know? How would I really know, if they are doing it well?

Honestly, I think it is a decent chance that this practice has, at some point in history, been misinterpreted and (to use the cliche) “hijacked” to mean something much more sinister than its original meaning. That it may have originally been meant that it was ok to say you weren’t a Muslim, or that Muslims don’t believe certain things to keep from being persecuted or killed in the land of the infidels, or to help you in the early stages of converting someone to Islam. I believe there is at least some evidence, though, that it may well have meant something more, and it may well still mean more. It certainly does to the Islamists, if not to “mainstream Muslims”.

What actually bugs me the most about the Islamist issue is the lack of outrage on “normal” Muslims’ part in condemning and trying to stem Islamism in their midst and elsewhere. If it’s really wrong and it’s sullying their name so badly … where’s the outrage? Where’s the action? Little things like this only deepen my doubts about al-taqiyya being mostly harmless.
- philmon | 12/04/2007 @ 12:34
“…what I find even more troubling: A religious cult that instructs people to lie, for the sake of advancing itself — existing within post-modern America, a place that just can’t get enough of people saying the right things, truth & facts be damned.”

There’s a name for that —- politics.
- locomotivebreath1901 | 12/04/2007 @ 15:37
Nothing more dangerous indeed… good one Morgan… linking shortly.
- Ricksteroni | 12/04/2007 @ 22:09
Thanks for the link, I appreciate it.
- bernieg1 | 12/04/2007 @ 23:39
This bit put me in mind of something I had read a year and some ago. I don’t care much for his Sfic, but this is brilliant.
And chilling.

http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_04.htm

And more: history bears him out.
- Dark Horse | 12/05/2007 @ 13:47
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- House of Eratosthenes | 12/06/2007 @ 11:56

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